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# Covert Contact 30: The San Bernardino Attack, Small Scale Terrorism, and ISIS
- URL: https://johnwlittle.com/podcast-the-san-bernardino-attack-small-scale-terrorism-and-isis/
- Published: 2015-12-07T23:18:22.000Z
- Updated: 2026-10-17T18:38:24.000Z
- Description: The San Bernardino attack is an odd one in many ways but understanding it is critical as this model of small scale attacks, directed at soft targets, and using readily available weapons is going to be a persistent and growing threat.
- Author: John Little
- Tags: Covert Contact, Podcast, Interviews, William J. Tucker, ISIS, Terrorism

William J. Tucker joins me again for episode 30 of the Covert Contact podcast. The San Bernardino attack is an odd one in many ways but understanding it is critical as this model of small scale attacks, directed at soft targets, and using readily available weapons is going to be a persistent and growing threat. We explore the details of the attack itself, the attackers’ motivations, the challenges these models present on the intelligence and law enforcement fronts, and how the threat may evolve as ISIS expands horizontally and faces increasing pressure on their home turf.

You can follow William on Twitter [@tuckerwj](https://twitter.com/tuckerwj?ref=johnwlittle.com).