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# Covert Contact 25: Discussing Espionage with Former Double Agent Naveed Jamali
- URL: https://johnwlittle.com/podcast-discussing-espionage-with-former-double-agent-naveed-jamali/
- Published: 2015-11-20T09:06:54.000Z
- Updated: 2026-10-17T18:31:02.000Z
- Description: In episode 25 of the Covert Contact podcast I’m talking to Naveed Jamali, former double agent, and co-author of How to Catch a Russian Spy: The True Story of an American Civilian Turned Double Agent.
- Author: John Little
- Tags: Covert Contact, Podcast, Interviews, Intelligence, Naveed Jamali

In episode 25 of the Covert Contact podcast I’m talking to Naveed Jamali, former double agent, and co-author of [*How to Catch a Russian Spy: The True Story of an American Civilian Turned Double Agent*](http://www.amazon.com/How-Catch-Russian-Spy-American/dp/1476788820/ref=sr%5F1%5F1?ie=UTF8&qid=1415964810&sr=8-1&keywords=naveed+jamali&ref=johnwlittle.com "How to Catch a Russian Spy: The True Story of an American Civilian Turned Double Agent").

Naveed seemed like an unlikely candidate for this sort of intrigue but Russian intelligence used his parents’ company to order U.S. government publications. The FBI, of course, wanted to know what the Russians were reading. He could have remained a low-level informant, notifying the FBI of the Russians’ reading habits and interests as his parents had, but Naveed wanted to take it further. He had access, some natural talent, and a lot of interest in playing the game.

Our conversation focuses on Naveed’s unusual position and what it’s like to navigate this very confusing territory as a complete amateur.

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