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# Covert Contact 46: Cutting Through the Hybrid Warfare Hype
- URL: https://johnwlittle.com/cutting-through-the-hybrid-warfare-hype/
- Published: 2016-05-30T06:40:00.000Z
- Updated: 2026-10-17T18:47:26.000Z
- Description: Phil Walter joins me to examine the hybrid warfare debate, explain why the concept still matters, and consider how to prepare for persistent, ambiguous conflict.
- Author: John Little
- Tags: Covert Contact, Interviews, Strategy, Russia, Intelligence, Phil Walter

The conflict in Ukraine sparked a huge surge in interest in hybrid warfare. Phil Walter joins me in this episode to look at the less helpful aspects of that surge, discuss why the concept still matters, and to propose actions that could put us on better footing to deal with what promises to be an era of persistent but very murky conflict.

Phil has served in the military, the intelligence community, and the inter-agency. His written works are catalogued on [Storify](https://storify.com/philwalter1058/written-pieces?ref=johnwlittle.com) and archived at [philwalter1058.com](http://www.philwalter1058.com/?ref=johnwlittle.com). I highly recommend them if you are at all interested in national security issues. You can follow Phil on Twitter [@philwalter1058](https://twitter.com/philwalter1058?ref=johnwlittle.com).